Did you know…
…that using the copyrighted logo of the Boston Red Sox in a Conservapedia userbox is not ok? But using the copyrighted front cover of a 2007 book release in an article on Eleanor of Aquitaine is not only ok, but also not non-encyclopeadic? It’s true!
Keep up the good work, gentlemen.
And now user AlanE, who changed the copyrighted cover with another photo, has been blocked 3 days for uploading a ’silly image’.
Sorry, just wanted to move the discussion thread up to here…
It seems Mr. TK has been very active on WP as well as CP. The fun part is that he apparently registered a complaint at an internet fraud site (you know, for like Nigerian Scams, etc) about RW. After his disavowal by Andy, he’s been very quiet.
I can’t get mad at KooKoo…the man served our country in uniform, and for me, that forgives almost anything.
GofG is…ta-da…the “Sheriff of CP”
http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Geo.plrd#test
Is TK using a username or WP or just his normal 24.176.180.181 IP?
not sure…TMT would know
GofG and Geo.plrd are different people, aren’t they?
Je crois que oui. Si “non”, merde!
Yes they are different, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen GofG accused of violating the 90/10 rule, which only happens when you’re annoying the sysops with logic.
There are more cabalists then they can imagine, even in their paranoia. La cabale n’existe pas! Vive la cabale!
Je ne suis pas un membre du Cabal, je suis une Canadienne!
“Une”? Alors, J’ai cru que vous soyez “un Canadien”! Je suis idiot!
Hey, I’m a Nova Scotia anglo who hasn’t had a French class in 23 years, I figure I’m doin’ pretty good here!
lol…excellent. Crazy Canucks can’t get just one freakin language like Los Estados Unidos????
Heh. In Halifax, you got English, French, Chinese, Arabic (Lebanese) and a growing amount of Russian. Here in Ottawa, where I am now, we get English, French (Quebec), French (Jamaica/Haiti/Africa/elsewhere), Arabic (Iraq), Chinese and a mix of other stuff. It’s what happens in crossroads cities, I guess.
Oh, this ought to be fun! Yet another starry-eyed idealist gets set to have her dreams crushed by the mighty Conservative.
Popcorn…gotta get more popcorn…
Actually, a few “real” conservapedians tried to create an article, I think it was maybe PhilR and Karajou and a couple of others, someone else will remember. Conservafascist pursued them into their user spaces mercilessly and deleted every attempt. If anyone has the record of that, Id love it.
Haha, as long as the original message was on the subject of images, here’s one that you all might like.
And now Andy’s deleted the copyrighted picture, following a complaint from the author of the book. Wonder if AlanE will get an apology from TK?
It’s nice that Conservapedia has a program where it hires retarded individuals as sysops. I think McDonald’s has a similar program.
Im not TK. Im BarfBarrel
I can’t stop these horrible socks!
See what you reap, Sid?
People posting as someone else…disavowals by Andy that aren’t, fake emails. This is the kind you are consorting with and harboring. Is it any wonder you never convinced me?
Enjoy your assortment of “friends”.
Wow, how, coherent of you TK. I can see now why CP is of such high quality
“And now Andy’s deleted the copyrighted picture, following a complaint from the author of the book. Wonder if AlanE will get an apology from TK?”
Well, Todd, no apology is due from TK. He even was so kind as to explain, on the article discussion page, how they could change the picture.
But of course we know it was one of you, and none of you count.
Raptor, who here do you think is Sid?
And when Alan followed those oh-so-kind directions (others can judge the kindness shown here, here and here), AlanE was blocked for three days for uploading a ’silly’ image.
As to whether he’s “one of us” or not, I have no idea, but as you yourself told me just last night, jumping to conclusions about peoples’ identities is bad form.
“Raptor” is deep into seeing plots, he doesn’t even believe the disavowal. Very sad. Andy IS a lawyer, and CARES about his project, and will drop people to use harassment quickly.
The paranoia runs deep, we are all against you…every new user is a member the cabal, some are set up to immediately induce a ban through vandalism, others are plants designed to fester and nag and decay from the inside out. They are ALL against you TK, even the other sysops are starting to turn, they are going to needle and pester you. Make random changes to your talk space that only you can see and deny it! Those voices you keep hearing? They are really recorded tapes being played in hidden players around your house. Our cabal runs deep…………they are all around you TK……..the shipper of your “Guys Gone Wild” DVD is now in with us too. So is that clerk at the liquor store you think is cute……………..all after you………..all one of us……….the paranoia runs deep, so deep.
Just to make it clear…most of the so-called “cabalists” made a very large number of good edits. They were mostly chased away for ideological reasons. Most had nothing to do with vandalism of any kind. Many were avowed liberals, many others were conservative, libertarian, and other. Many were Christians, many were not. All shared a desire to deliver truthful information so that people reading CP would not be force-fed false information without discussion or refutation. So, dream on, conspiro-theorists. Most “vandals” wanted to help. That’s it.
Exactly, and well put. The connection to vandalism has to do with one of the groups of vandals that contacted us, and we let them join in our conversation about CP, and laughed at their funny user names. While that can be construed as “giving aid and comfort” it is not in itself vandalism.
A great deal of what we did that was “attacking” CP was really helping it. For example, one of my “elaborative” evil plans was to inject pro-science articles. I used various socks to input a bunch of very accurate, and very well sourced articles that just happen to offer some of the reams of irrefutable proof of evolution. How is this an attack? Because the SYSOPS couldn’t help but attack the articles and create a huge fuss over it. It makes them look like idiots, creates massive amounts of paralyzing “meta-discussion” and generally leaves a bad after taste in the mouth of any rational editor. The thing is, I didn’t do anything other than write good articles. All of the negative effects came from CP’s own natural reactions to it.
Before I even started screwing with CP I was trying to help, I did a lot of really positive work there. I was met with the paranoid and oppressive gulag. That turned me off, as it did everyone else. The cabal was created in reaction to how CP treated us. The reasons for CP’s complete implosion (as much as I would like to take significant credit) lies at the doorsteps of the SYSOPS and site owner.
We don’t even HAVE to do anything anymore, your paranoia and insanity has reached a fever pitch, you are banning most of your new users with very little evidence of any wrong doing. And attacking anyone not in the “inner circle” no matter their contributions. For christ sake LOOK at the site, its dieing, even someone as delusional as TK should be able to see things have gone bad..very bad. It might be too late for the site, but there are things you can do to try and save it. The Cabal knows what those are, and we are more than willing to work with you to bring the site out of its current plunge into oblivion. But you will have to listen to us……..
In my case at least, TK accused me of being ‘in the cabal’ long before I knew such a thing even existed (even if you accept the claim that rationalwiki and #cp-cabal users really were a cabal, which is stretching things quite a bit). I don’t know for sure, but I suspect that was true for the original RW people as well. In other words, to the extent there was a cabal, TK didn’t discover it, he created it.
And I’m still waiting for Geo.plrd to come up with the evidence he’s sure must exist for my ‘conspiracy to vandalize’…
Yes, the term cabal didn’t even come up until TK started accusing us of it. We eventually just picked up the term and have been tossing it around. We don’t really believe we are a cabal, its just a way to feed the paranoia…must feed the beast.
La Cabale n’existe pas! Vive la Cabale!
I just hope we don’t lose our raison d’etre when cp dies on the vine.
It totally is dying. 500 edits in 9 hours is weak.
Eh, I have seen longer droughts, near 14 hours. But they are “filling” edits in with tons of page protections, deletions, ect. The best unit is to search for just main space article changes. These are really the only thing that moves cp forwards. They were right around 500 in 24 hours, and if you remove self marked “minor” edits, it was 30-35 hours for 500.
Andy (and a lot of others) seem to be overly focused on the artificial goal of 10,000 articles. I wonder what’ll happen when they get there and realize that nothing will change as a result?
Set a new goal of 11,000 articles, or something. Its the kind of motivational training they teach you at “how to teach homeschool kids camp.”
Kelseigh, you were asking about rationalwiki right? E-mail me, ttoulouse@gmail.com if you want the details.
The first time I saw anything written from TK about some “cabal” it wasn’t anything to do with an actual, literal, cabal, but just his own term to describe the shocking personal insults used by many of you against Andy and his family, on IRC.
I do believe it was a debating trick, a deftly applied dodge, when someone sought linkage between TK’s term, and applying it to some conspiracy, some actual entity.
It doesn’t really matter what you think you are, cabal, association, etc. If you take coordinated actions, discuss amongst yourselves privately about how to make people or things look foolish, and how to subvert what you do not like, you are.
“If you take coordinated actions, discuss amongst yourselves privately about how to make people or things look foolish, and how to subvert what you do not like, you are.”
Ohhh that makes us a PAC!!
Go Go Gadget tax-free status!
Yes, TK gets pissy when people expect him to use words to actually mean what they mean.
And calling an out gay man ‘gay’ isn’t a ’shocking personal insult’.
Boo Hoo! Someone’s mad because we are still functioning. Go get lives!
Yea Geo, CP is doing great, better than ever. Must be nice being able to personally review every edit now that you get them at about 10 an hour. Woo hoo! Watch out wikipedia!
Really well i am enjoying the luxury of editing every page, oh im sorry you can’t because you are a terrorist. Go get a life
I suggest you do start editing every page…because no one else is! Get in there and create some content…or whatever it is you guys do at CP. I stopped giving a shit about editing pages a LONG time ago. “Get a life” is a fairly weak insult. It usually is a reflection of accusers own insecurities in his..ummm..value. But thats okay you are “site sheriff” at one of the great wikis of the internet..you have a life.
Nice attempt at Pyschology, Shrinky Dink, I am not the wiki molester here
No just molesting that bottle. Put it down man. Sober up. I am out for the evening…
Your skills are par, my friend. Accuse someone of being drunk and shoot their credibility to hell. Speaking of which, how do enjoy being one of the ringleaders of a international ring of terrorists?
What did I say about calling people terrorists, Geo? I say “please don’t”.
How about commenting on the blog entries instead?
-AKjeldsen/lanfranc
For sysops who claim we are not wanted on CP, they sure spend a lot of time defending themselves here. What really cracks me up is a created over twenty absolutely bogus articles on CP before I was banned (under another name) and they’re still there! What’s even funnier is when people edit my articles about nonexistant people, places and events.
Terroism is in the eye of the beholder.
Andy was seduced by the Dark Side of Conservapedia. He ceased to be Andy and BECAME Aschlafly. When that happened, the good man who was Andy was destroyed. So what I told you was TRUE… from a certain point of view.
Geo.plrd: “A certain point of view?”
Geo, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
They have become very paranoid over at CP. I edited a few history articles with what I thought were non-controversial statements (and I included links to primary sources). On one occasion I was banned as a “vandal” and on another as a “member of the Icewedge cabal.” The site is dying, and for people with conservative leanings, an embarrassment.
I’ll be honest, when you can easily find gems like this one from RobS:
“Ok, I suppose we can articulate more about Gaia, neo-paganism, and eco-feminists, and how they have infiltrated the environmental movement. But all that still needs to be kept separate from the various environmental organizations with links to foreign intelligence sources and terrorism. And the environmental organizations on the domestic terrorism watchlist might have to be separate from that (maybe not).”
…then other sorts of paranoia can’t be far off.
Actually, using a copyrighted image in a userbox is not fair use, it’s a copyvio. The book cover is, however, _not_ a copyvio, but simple fair use.
Linus: “Actually, using a copyrighted image in a userbox is not fair use, it’s a copyvio. The book cover is, however, _not_ a copyvio, but simple fair use.”
I’m not exactly up to date on how fair use applies to images, but I find it difficult to see how that can be the case. The image of the book cover was reproduced in its entirety, on an article that had nothing to do with the book, and with no attribution to the artist or the source. Also, I note that it was later removed at the request of the copyright holder.
-AKjeldsen/Lanfranc
I’m not defending them, they were wrong. However, see the Wikipedia policies in the subject.
Commenting on a few of the things above, I do hope some conservative, rational voices appear on the new site.
There certainly ARE eco-terrorists in this country, but not very many. There have been a few infamous incidents. Most “environmentalists” have nothing to do with those few people.
http://www.conservapedia.com/American_Indian
I love how they killed this article. Seems like Andy is using Kennewick man as a means of sliding in the “fact” that there may have been others there before. As an anthropology student, I just have to laugh at alot about this site.
I wonder if Auld Nick is gonna point out that you can’t have a 9300 year old Kennewick man if the world is only 6000 years and three days old.
BTW, i think tk thinks you are me
Did you see how the Glorious Leader is now pointing out dispute as to who the first people in the New World were? Granted there are a few that subscribe to the model of non-Asian ancestors, but that is like saying that one dissenter out of 1000 constitutes dispute. I guess his definition of “fact” is different than mine.
Well, I do look pretty hot in a lab coat…
Oh, Prof. That’s what I get for learning to read.
I still look hot in a lab coat, though.
Back to the original topic of this post — I too suspect that using the book cover could have been covered under fair use. That’s not the argument TK made, though — he scoffed, rather rudely, at the very idea that the picture might be copyrighted. In fact, he seemed to think that it was more than 100 years old, despite clearly being drawn on a computer.
See http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TK&diff=166647&oldid=166645
The problem is TK takes everything so personally and he’s never wrong. He’s had so many things explained to him in a way a 5 year old could figure it out and he’s still confused.
see here for the most recent lack of knowledge http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:RobS#Abuse...
and uhoh …. Hoji is on TK’s radar now:
02:58, 21 May 2007 TK (Talk | contribs) restored “Category:Liberal Falsehoods” (2 revisions restored: Hoji, this may be your undoing.)
Go, TK, go! Hoji is one of the only things remaining that give you any credibility at all!
Who the hell are you?
The Liberal devil?
Who wants to know?
To quote an icon: “I’m Bart Simpson, who the hell are you?”
Oh, you and your false gods!