Contrary to all reason, the author of this blog actually believes that it may be possible to turn Conservapedia into a respectable and useful learning resource. However, this will require considerable change on a number of areas. This is a running list of the changes that I consider necessary. Comments are, as alway, welcome.

  • Clear and reasonable rules must be established and observed at all times by all parties
  • Conservapedia must be run on actual conservative principles, not ultra-reactionary ones
  • Professional and scientific credentials must be respected, not suspected
  • The Conservapedia Panel must be removed in favor of a transparent system of appeals
  • A simple and transparent process that includes user participation must be established for deciding on promotions to adminship
  • User participation in the administration of the site must be ensured through the establishment of a representative user panel or a similar institution
  • Sysops TK, Conservative and others who abuse their position must be removed
  • The 90/10 rule and other rules aimed at stifling discussion must be repealed
  • The site management and sysop team must promote an academic culture that supports the open and respectful exchange of viewpoints

15 Responses to “What is to be done?”

  1. 1 Kelseigh May 16, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    That’s certainly kinder than what I’ve been thinking, which is burn the thing to the ground and restart it with an entirely new management, under more or less those principles.

  2. 2 AmesG May 17, 2007 at 2:19 am

    I think their goal is tenable – a YEC/Christian ‘pedia. But the fact that they can’t stand up to any criticism at all kind of bespeaks the weakness of their ideas overall.

    Their goal is tenable, in other words, if they allow debate & a transparent government. If it makes their ideology collapse, then… maybe it didn’t deserve a Wiki.

  3. 3 Kelseigh May 17, 2007 at 2:43 am

    Honestly, if they stated their goals, and made it clear that writing must be done with a specific slant in mind, maybe even made a writing guide to that effect, they’d probably have better luck. But all this “we have clear rules” when they most definitely don’t, welcoming everyone to come edit then blindsiding them with arbitrary rules, secret decisions and capricious management, then the whole thing falls apart.

    Unfortunately the rot begins at the head in this case. Andy is a delusional nutjob, and he’s surrounded himself with people like himself. The only way to really turn that wiki around is to remove pretty much all of them, slash out 90% or more of the content and start fresh.

  4. 4 Grinder May 17, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    The scariest part of it all is that children are actually using this as a tool for learning!

  5. 5 Kelseigh May 17, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Yeah, I see this as a form of child abuse, honestly. And part of the greater evil that people like Ashlafly represent, although usually more competently.

  6. 6 prof0705 May 21, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    What is truly scary is that college students have been seen using CP as a source in papers. I had to laugh, then cry, then fail some poor stupid kid.

  7. 7 Second Coming May 22, 2007 at 2:55 am

    One problem is that although they claim to be Conservative and Christian these terms are not spelled out. They have their own idea of what “Liberal” is, which seems to be odds with my own British Liberal leanings. Christian seems to be very narrowly defined and the Anglican church (as a nest of homosexuals) would largely be excluded from their YEC Christian agenda.

  8. 8 Gulik3 May 22, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    How to save it?

    Start over. Get a new server somewhere, put a complete copy of Wikipedia up on it (If that’s legal), and start from there. And don’t like Aschlafly or any of his little gnomes ‘help’ manage it.

  9. 9 turbonerd May 23, 2007 at 1:01 am

    Unfortunately, or, actually, fortunately, Wikipedia is GFDL’d, the equivalent of the GPL; that is, a viral license, in the sense that all material under it can only be used in other GPL material. So, unless they trashed their copyright policy, they couldn’t use it.

  10. 10 GodisGreat June 13, 2007 at 12:58 am

    Oh holy crap I just got banned AGAIN. I’m delighted to find your blog. But, yes, I want to just burn the whole stupid edifice to the ground.

  11. 11 Lisää karhunpaistia June 21, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Hei! Pidän siitä todella!
    Aja hiljaa sillalla.

  12. 12 CUR January 6, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Fat chance of those ideas getting in place. And even if they officially did, we are talking about teh fly here. I doubt he’d actually let little things like rules get in the way.

  13. 13 lanfranc January 6, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Indeed. Those are from a happier, more optimistic time.

  14. 14 CUR January 6, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Ah yes. The good old days. Now about the only liberal thing we can do is correct someone’s grammer. Admittingly they ban us, but at least it doesn’t get reverted. I predict that Conservapedia will gradually implode as they get more and more extreme, finally cumulating in a bloody coup. Do we have any volunteers for the coup?

  15. 15 lanfranc January 7, 2009 at 2:13 am

    Actually, I don’t think there’ll be anything that definite. Andy will still keep control of the server, and there will still be a core of editors who add a bit of content from time to time. I think the most likely scenario is that it’ll stumble along more or less as it is now – just another tiny and ridiculed website on the fringes of the Internet until Andy eventually loses interest in it.

    A bit sad, really. It could have been more.

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